but also in addition to what dr. peterson said, martin luther king opposed gun sales. he was very much for gun violence laws and rules. so it's just -- they don't even begin to know where to start unraveling all these mistruths these desperate gun nuts are putting out there, but we know they are losing the public debate and isolating themselves and that increasingly there's not so much a silent majority, there's a very vocal majority wanting some common sense changes. >> they lose the public debate. let's follow the money on this one. i'm going to remain a bit cynical. >> exactly. >> james peterson and julian epstein, thanks so much for joining me. >> thank you, karen. >>> next, how to talk to women. it's a new class being offered at the republicans' annual retreat. stay with us. >> what do you say we go out on a date, have some chicken, maybe some sex. you know, see what happens. >> oh, let me get this over here. sorry. there it is. ...so as you can see, geico's customer satisfaction is at 97%. mmmm tasty. and cut! very good. people are always asking me how we make th